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<title>Richard Stallman at the First Hackers Conference in 1984 
- GNU Project - Free Software Foundation</title>
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<h2>Richard Stallman at the First Hackers Conference in 1984</h2>
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<p>The first Hackers Conference was held in Sausalito, California, in
November 1984. The makers of the documentary <cite>Hackers: Wizards of 
the Electronic Age</cite> interviewed Richard Stallman at the event. 
They included only parts of the interviews in the film, but made some
other footage available. Stallman's statements at the conference went 
beyond what he had written in the <a
href="/gnu/initial-announcement.html">initial announcement of GNU</a>.</p>

<p>It was at this conference that Richard Stallman first publicly and 
explicitly stated the idea that <em>all software should be free</em>, 
and makes it clear that &ldquo;free&rdquo; refers to freedom, not price, 
by saying that software should be <em>freely</em> accessible to 
everyone. This was probably the first time he made that distinction to 
the public.</p>

<p>Stallman continues by explaining why it is wrong to agree to accept a
program on condition of not sharing it with others. So what can one
say about a business based on developing nonfree software and luring
others into accepting that condition? Such things are bad for society
and shouldn't be done at all. (In later years he used stronger
condemnation.)</p>

<p>Here are the things he said:</p>

  <blockquote>
  <p><i>&ldquo;My project is to make all software free.&rdquo;</i></p> 
  </blockquote> 
          
  <blockquote>
  <p><i>&ldquo;Imagine if you bought a house and the basement was locked 
  and only the original building contractor had the key. If you needed 
  to make any change, repair anything, you'd have to go to him, and if 
  he was too busy doing something else he'd tell you to get lost and 
  you'd be stuck. You are at that person's mercy and you become 
  downtrodden and resigned. That's what happens when the blueprints to a 
  computer program are kept secret by the organization that sells it. 
  That's the usual way things are done.&rdquo;</i>
  <a href="//audio-video.gnu.org/video/rms-at-first-hackers-conference-1984.webm">
  Video</a></p> 
  </blockquote> 
  
  <blockquote>
  <p><i>&ldquo;If I'm offered a chance to use a piece of software 
  provided I would agree not to share it with anyone, I feel that it 
  would be wrong, it would spiritually&#8239;<a href="#Note1" id="Note1-rev">[1]</a> 
  hurt me to agree. So I don't want them investing in software that's owned. 
  And I don't believe that anything is justified to encourage them to invest in 
  software that's owned. I think the really great software has been done by 
  hackers who were doing it because they loved it, because it was playful 
  cleverness, and that will continue in any case. I think there are 
  alternative ways of arranging for some amount of money to go into 
  paying salaries of people, paying them to spend their time writing 
  programs. If people want certain kinds of programs to be written, they 
  can come up with other forms of organization&mdash;I can suggest a 
  few&mdash;but the important thing is there are lots of alternative 
  ways of doing things. This one has been chosen because it gets the 
  people investing in software companies the most profits of any of the 
  available ways.&rdquo;</i>
  <a 
  href="https://web.archive.org/web/20161107235202/https://www.gettyimages.com/detail/video/at-the-first-hackers-conference-in-1984-richard-stallman-news-footage/146485179">Video</a></p> 
  </blockquote>
  
  <blockquote>
  <p><i>&ldquo;I don't think it's a social imperative to give them the 
  most possible profit. I think the social imperative is that 
  information that's developed should be accessible to everyone as freely 
  as possible. If we look at the principle underlying&mdash;the incentive 
  principle, give people incentives to do the things you wish to 
  encourage&mdash;and then we say, &lsquo;what are we giving people 
  incentives for?&rsquo; we see that we are not giving them any 
  incentives to do the things that benefit society most. If a person has 
  a choice, he can write a program and then encourage everyone to use it 
  in any way that's good for him or he can write the program and then 
  market it hoarding the plans, telling people they are not allowed to 
  share it with their neighbors, being very obnoxious and obstructive. 
  We see he has an incentive to be obnoxious and obstructive, he doesn't 
  have an incentive to cooperate. I think that's sick, I think that's a 
  bad social organization, because we are encouraging most what's not 
  good for us.&rdquo;</i>
  <a 
  href="https://web.archive.org/web/20161108001731/https://www.gettyimages.com/detail/video/at-the-first-hackers-conference-in-1984-richard-stallman-news-footage/146484701">Video</a></p> 
  </blockquote> 

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<h3 class="footnote">Footnote</h3>

<p> <a href="#Note1-rev" id="Note1">[1]</a>
Subsequently Stallman decided to stop using the word &ldquo;spiritually,&rdquo; 
so that people would not think he meant to refer to anything supernatural.</p>

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