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diff --git a/talermerchantdemos/blog/articles/en/the-law-of-success-2.html b/talermerchantdemos/blog/articles/en/the-law-of-success-2.html index 471e946..1a10d65 100644 --- a/talermerchantdemos/blog/articles/en/the-law-of-success-2.html +++ b/talermerchantdemos/blog/articles/en/the-law-of-success-2.html @@ -1,29 +1,39 @@ <!--#include virtual="/server/header.html" --> -<!-- Parent-Version: 1.77 --> +<!-- Parent-Version: 1.96 --> +<!-- This page is derived from /server/standards/boilerplate.html --> +<!--#set var="TAGS" value="speeches" --> +<!--#set var="DISABLE_TOP_ADDENDUM" value="yes" --> <title>The Law of Success 2.0: An Interview with Richard Stallman - GNU Project - Free Software Foundation</title> +<style type="text/css" media="print,screen"><!-- +.pict { width: 20em; height: auto; margin: 2em auto; } +--></style> <!--#include virtual="/philosophy/po/the-law-of-success-2.translist" --> <!--#include virtual="/server/banner.html" --> +<!--#include virtual="/philosophy/ph-breadcrumb.html" --> +<!--GNUN: OUT-OF-DATE NOTICE--> +<!--#include virtual="/server/top-addendum.html" --> +<div class="article reduced-width"> <h2>The Law of Success 2.0: An Interview with Richard Stallman</h2> -<p><em>[ This is an interview between Haegwan Kim and Richard -M. Stallman. ]</em> -</p> +<div class="infobox"> +<p><em>This interview was conducted by Haegwan Kim in November 2010.</em></p> +</div> -<p><img src="http://www.gnu.org/graphics/RMS.jpeg" +<div class="pict"> +<img src="/graphics/RMS.jpeg" alt=" [Photo of Richard Stallman] " title="Richard Stallman" -width="259" height="194" class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-1761" /></p> - -<p>Haegwan Kim</p> +width="259" height="194" /> +</div> -<p>First, you mentioned that discussing success is not useful for you +<p><b>Haegwan Kim:</b> First, you mentioned that discussing success is +not useful for you and that's really interesting to me. In this interview mainly I want to talk about freedom and related issue. But before that, could you tell me the reason that talking about success is not useful to you?</p> -<p>Richard Stallman</p> - -<p>Because some activities are good for society and some are harmful for +<p><b>Richard Stallman:</b> Because some activities are good for society +and some are harmful for society. Of course, many are neutral. If person A knows how to aim for success, that may be good or bad for the rest of us. And I didn't set out to be a success. I didn't set out to make a lot of money or become @@ -37,14 +47,10 @@ community of people who use and contribute to free software, so in that sense it's a success. But when I look at it I don't ask, am I a success? I ask, do users have freedom?</p> -<p>HK</p> - -<p>Great to hear that. Can you tell me why you are so in favour of the +<p><b>HK:</b> Great to hear that. Can you tell me why you are so in favour of the freedom?</p> -<p>RMS</p> - -<p>Partly it's because I resent being pushed around. I resent anyone +<p><b>RMS:</b> Partly it's because I resent being pushed around. I resent anyone giving me orders. Partly because I grew up in the US, where people were taught to think about freedom—or at least were. I don't know if any of the children are taught any of these things any more. Partly @@ -62,33 +68,21 @@ group I was part of.</p> <p>So working, improving that system meant taking advantage of freedom all the time, so I came to appreciate freedom.</p> -<p>HK</p> +<p><b>HK:</b> Okay, I see.</p> -<p>Okay, I see.</p> +<p><b>RMS:</b> But that's not quite the end.</p> -<p>RMS</p> +<p><b>HK:</b> Okay.</p> -<p>But that's not quite the end.</p> - -<p>HK</p> - -<p>Okay.</p> - -<p>RMS</p> - -<p>Because the community fell apart in the early 80s and it was no +<p><b>RMS:</b> Because the community fell apart in the early 80s and it was no longer possible to have the freedom. So I saw the contrast -between living in freedom and losing freedom, and I found non-freedom +between living in freedom and losing freedom, and I found nonfreedom disgusting. So I decided to do something to bring freedom back.</p> -<p>HK</p> - -<p>Can you tell me how…? You are now trying to bring freedom +<p><b>HK:</b> Can you tell me how…? You are now trying to bring freedom back, which conversely means there's no freedom at the moment.</p> -<p>RMS</p> - -<p>Yes. With regard to software. First of all, this is a big question. +<p><b>RMS:</b> Yes. With regard to software. First of all, this is a big question. In regard to software, proprietary software does not respect users' freedom because the program controls the users. If the users aren't free to change a program and do so either individually or in groups @@ -153,13 +147,9 @@ problem. It would have to be fixed over and over and over.</p> <p>Also with the freedom to distribute your modified version, the people who don't know how to program can benefit.</p> -<p>HK</p> - -<p>I understand a bit about freedom for software now.</p> +<p><b>HK:</b> I understand a bit about freedom for software now.</p> -<p>RMS</p> - -<p>So if I'm using the free program and I make a change in it, which I +<p><b>RMS:</b> So if I'm using the free program and I make a change in it, which I know how to do, then I could publish my modified version and then you. Perhaps you're not a programmer; you would still be able to get the benefit of the change I make. Not only that, you could pay somebody to @@ -180,30 +170,18 @@ individually and collectively, control the program. If the users don't control the program then the program controls the users. That's proprietary software and that is what makes it evil.</p> -<p>HK</p> - -<p>Sounds similar to Creative Commons—verifying the types of +<p><b>HK:</b> Sounds similar to Creative Commons—verifying the types of copyrights.</p> -<p>RMS</p> - -<p>Yes. Creative commons publishes various licences.</p> - -<p>HK</p> - -<p>Yes. Do you agree with all those kind of activities on freedom?</p> - -<p>RMS</p> - -<p>They don't have a position on that.</p> +<p><b>RMS:</b> Yes. Creative commons publishes various licences.</p> -<p>HK</p> +<p><b>HK:</b> Yes. Do you agree with all those kind of activities on freedom?</p> -<p>Position?</p> +<p><b>RMS:</b> They don't have a position on that.</p> -<p>RMS</p> +<p><b>HK:</b> Position?</p> -<p>Creative commons licences grant the users varying amounts of freedom. +<p><b>RMS:</b> Creative commons licences grant the users varying amounts of freedom. Two of their licences qualify as free by our criteria. Those are the creative commons attribution licence and the attribution share-alike licence, those. And I think maybe there's also the CC zero licence, @@ -217,13 +195,9 @@ you use to do practical jobs. So that means software, recipes for cooking—and recipes for cooking are a good examples because, as I'm sure you know, cooks frequently share and modify recipes.</p> -<p>HK</p> +<p><b>HK:</b> Sure, yes.</p> -<p>Sure, yes.</p> - -<p>RMS</p> - -<p>And it would be a tremendous outrage to stop them. So in effect, +<p><b>RMS:</b> And it would be a tremendous outrage to stop them. So in effect, cooks treat recipes as free. But let's look at some more works that are used for practical jobs. Educational works are used for practical jobs; to teach yourself or teach others. Reference works are used for @@ -242,55 +216,35 @@ crucial conclusion for those other works is the freedom to non-commercially redistribute exact copies, in other words the freedom to share.</p> -<p>HK</p> - -<p>I'm interested in what you're doing. You're travelling around the +<p><b>HK:</b> I'm interested in what you're doing. You're travelling around the world, like me, and you're contributing to others, not for yourself. And I love that way you live and I respect it so much. So I was just wondering, how you describe yourself?</p> -<p>RMS</p> - -<p>I describe myself as a free software activist.</p> - -<p>HK</p> - -<p>Activist?</p> +<p><b>RMS:</b> I describe myself as a free software activist.</p> -<p>RMS</p> +<p><b>HK:</b> Activist?</p> -<p>Yes.</p> +<p><b>RMS:</b> Yes.</p> -<p>HK</p> +<p><b>HK:</b> Activists means the ones who change the world?</p> -<p>Activists means the ones who change the world?</p> - -<p>RMS</p> - -<p>First of all, we haven't changed the whole world, not even in this +<p><b>RMS:</b> First of all, we haven't changed the whole world, not even in this regard, we've only changed a part of it.</p> -<p>HK</p> - -<p>Ok.</p> - -<p>RMS</p> +<p><b>HK:</b> Ok.</p> -<p>As you can see, most computer users are still running proprietary +<p><b>RMS:</b> As you can see, most computer users are still running proprietary systems such as Windows and Macintosh. And then if they have smartphones, those smartphones are running proprietary software and it typically has malicious features too. We have a long way to go to achieve victory. And the other thing is that what we have achieved, I did not achieve by myself. But I did start this movement.</p> -<p>HK</p> - -<p>Your activities have lasted for a long time, what would be your +<p><b>HK:</b> Your activities have lasted for a long time, what would be your advice for being an activist?</p> -<p>RMS</p> - -<p>I was rather lucky, in a sense. I was in a position to do something +<p><b>RMS:</b> I was rather lucky, in a sense. I was in a position to do something that would forward my cause just working by myself. As other people showed up who were interested they could join. So it's generally good to look for a way to do things that way, in other words don't set out at @@ -299,13 +253,9 @@ Start doing things such that you alone, or a small group of people who support you, can achieve something, and by achieving something you can attract the attention of others who might want to join.</p> -<p>HK</p> - -<p>Great idea.</p> +<p><b>HK:</b> Great idea.</p> -<p>RMS</p> - -<p>In fact, I've read that advice in a book. I don't remember where, +<p><b>RMS:</b> In fact, I've read that advice in a book. I don't remember where, because that was a long time ago, but it fit what I had alreasy done. I can't say I thought of this as a general principle, but it did work well in my case.</p> @@ -321,53 +271,37 @@ start doing anything about your cause.</p> soon and that way you'll spend your time getting a certain amount done for your cause, which is better than nothing.</p> -<p>HK</p> - -<p>Fair enough.</p> +<p><b>HK:</b> Fair enough.</p> -<p>RMS</p> - -<p>And of the ones who follow the raise-money-first path, those few that +<p><b>RMS:</b> And of the ones who follow the raise-money-first path, those few that succeed in raising the money will find that their years of focusing on making that money have changed their goals. By the time they have that money they will be used to trying to do everything to get money. Few people have the ability to turn around and start directing their efforts toward something other than getting and keeping a lot of money.</p> -<p>HK</p> - -<p>Indeed. Can you tell me how did you gather great people when you +<p><b>HK:</b> Indeed. Can you tell me how did you gather great people when you launched the Free Software Foundation?</p> -<p>RMS</p> - -<p>I don't know if I always gathered great people. Some who came to us +<p><b>RMS:</b> I don't know if I always gathered great people. Some who came to us were good and some were not but I couldn't tell very well in advance, I didn't know how to judge that. But enough of them were good that they've managed to achieve a lot.</p> -<p>HK</p> - -<p>So did you gather people or did people automatically come to your +<p><b>HK:</b> So did you gather people or did people automatically come to your place?</p> -<p>RMS</p> - -<p>Mostly people had seen what we had already done and found it +<p><b>RMS:</b> Mostly people had seen what we had already done and found it interesting, and they would either help or, in some cases, come back when the FSF was hiring and we would say we were looking for someone to hire. Maybe we knew them already—who was a good programmer—by their contributing as a volunteer, so we knew if we hired them, they would be good.</p> -<p>HK</p> - -<p>I see. Thank you so much for your time. As a final question, I want +<p><b>HK:</b> I see. Thank you so much for your time. As a final question, I want to ask you about what we should do to spread the freedom.</p> -<p>RMS</p> - -<p>The big enemy of freedom is governments taking too much power over +<p><b>RMS:</b> The big enemy of freedom is governments taking too much power over society. They do that with two excuses: the excuse is terrorists or child pornographers. But we have to realise that anti-freedom is a bigger danger than either of those. For instance, censoring the @@ -390,21 +324,13 @@ and I was told 30,000 prisoners who are without trial. This is a monster that the US created. Governments around the world keep looking for more power. The problem is, they have too much already.</p> -<p>HK</p> - -<p>That's true. How can we get the power back from the governments?</p> - -<p>RMS</p> +<p><b>HK:</b> That's true. How can we get the power back from the governments?</p> -<p>I wish I knew.</p> +<p><b>RMS:</b> I wish I knew.</p> -<p>HK</p> +<p><b>HK:</b> <i style="color: #505050">[Laughter]</i></p> -<p>(Laughter)</p> - -<p>RMS</p> - -<p>I do know something about how we can teach people the need for this. +<p><b>RMS:</b> I do know something about how we can teach people the need for this. Governments get their power by focusing people's attention on some secondary problem.</p> @@ -430,14 +356,11 @@ under 3,000 people, and they were used as the excuse for the conquest of Iraq, in which 4500 or so Americans were killed. So even if we only consider who's more dangerous to Americans, the answer is Bush.</p> -<p>HK</p> - -<p>(Laughter) People can't judge what's right or wrong when the +<p><b>HK:</b> <i style="color: #505050">[Laughter]</i> People can't +judge what's right or wrong when the condition is getting complex and excited too much…</p> -<p>RMS</p> - -<p>And that ignored the million or so Iraqis that Bush killed and that +<p><b>RMS:</b> And that ignored the million or so Iraqis that Bush killed and that Bush prevented us from counting. But by preventing them from being accurately counted, Bush made it possible for low estimates such as that of Iraq Body Count to seem plausible.</p> @@ -449,26 +372,20 @@ hoping to cover up the effects so as to get it out of people's minds. And whether they're doing that for BP or for Obama or both, it's offensive to try to stop the public from knowing.</p> -<p>HK</p> - -<p>Do you believe that the internet has the possibility to change this +<p><b>HK:</b> Do you believe that the internet has the possibility to change this phenomenon?</p> -<p>RMS</p> - -<p>That's a different question. The internet is useful for various +<p><b>RMS:</b> That's a different question. The internet is useful for various things like sharing valuable information. But it's also useful for surveillance. So the internet can be used for good things and bad things. So how do we make sure that we are free to share? How do we limit the surveillance? It's a matter of stopping the Government from doing things that are unjust.</p> - -<p><em>Richard Stallman is a software freedom activist and the president -of the Free Software Foundation.</em></p> +</div> </div><!-- for id="content", starts in the include above --> <!--#include virtual="/server/footer.html" --> -<div id="footer"> +<div id="footer" role="contentinfo"> <div class="unprintable"> <p>Please send general FSF & GNU inquiries to @@ -486,13 +403,13 @@ to <a href="mailto:webmasters@gnu.org"><webmasters@gnu.org></a>.</p> to <a href="mailto:web-translators@gnu.org"> <web-translators@gnu.org></a>.</p> - <p>For information on coordinating and submitting translations of + <p>For information on coordinating and contributing translations of our web pages, see <a href="/server/standards/README.translations.html">Translations README</a>. --> Please see the <a href="/server/standards/README.translations.html">Translations -README</a> for information on coordinating and submitting translations +README</a> for information on coordinating and contributing translations of this article.</p> </div> @@ -513,7 +430,7 @@ of this article.</p> There is more detail about copyright years in the GNU Maintainers Information document, www.gnu.org/prep/maintain. --> -<p>Copyright © 2010, 2013, 2019 Free Software Foundation, Inc.</p> +<p>Copyright © 2010, 2021 Free Software Foundation, Inc.</p> <p>This page is licensed under a <a rel="license" href="http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nd/4.0/">Creative @@ -523,10 +440,10 @@ Commons Attribution-NoDerivatives 4.0 International License</a>.</p> <p class="unprintable">Updated: <!-- timestamp start --> -$Date: 2019/01/05 18:25:49 $ +$Date: 2021/09/08 20:30:25 $ <!-- timestamp end --> </p> </div> -</div> +</div><!-- for class="inner", starts in the banner include --> </body> </html> |